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Win11Debloat vs Talon
Talon, by the Raven Development Team, promises “Windows the way you want it, in 2 clicks.” Most of the work is done by two other tools, which Talon names only in passing as “phase one” and “phase two”: it runs WinUtil, then Win11Debloat, with its own fixed choice of options. We read Talon's source to see exactly what it passes to each, and what it adds on top.
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Short answer
Does Talon use Win11Debloat?
- Yes. Talon's build bundles Win11Debloat 2026.08.24 and WinUtil 26.08.19, runs WinUtil with 13 of its tweaks, then runs Win11Debloat with 34 switches.
- On top it removes Edge, Outlook and OneDrive with its own scripts, installs a browser through Chocolatey and defers Windows updates.
- It has no undo and makes no restore point. Its documentation says the easiest way to undo it is to reinstall Windows.
- Running Win11Debloat yourself gives you the same app removal and tweaks, with a restore point, a choice of what to apply, and undo.
Side by side
| Feature | Win11DebloatRaphire | TalonRaven Development Team |
|---|---|---|
| What it works on | Your installed Windows | A freshly installed Windows 11 |
| How you use it | Wizard, or command line | Two clicks, or headless |
| Removes apps | Yes: 141 apps listed, 84 in Default mode | Yes, through Win11Debloat and WinUtil, plus its own Edge, Outlook and OneDrive scripts |
| Settings it changes | 95 tweaks, mostly registry and policy values | 34 Win11Debloat switches and 13 WinUtil tweaks by default, plus its own |
| Windows services | One tweak: stops the AI service starting by itself | Runs WinUtil's services tweak |
| Installs software | No | Yes: a browser of your choice, through Chocolatey |
| Restore point | Default mode creates one, and turns System Protection on if needed | None in its source |
| Undo | Untick a tweak in the wizard, or import its undo file; reinstall apps from the Store | None; its FAQ says to reinstall Windows |
| Unattended use | -Silent, -Config, -User and -Sysprep; exit code only reports startup failures | headless=true with a config file |
| Windows versions | Windows 10 22H2 and Windows 11 | Windows 11 only; it checks before running |
| Source and license | Open source, MIT | Source published, BSD-3-Clause; read-only mirror, no issues or pull requests |
What we read for this table
- Win11Debloat: release 2026.08.24
- Talon: main branch, commit d916a10 (26 Sep 2026)
Checked on 30 October 2026. Counts come from each tool's own files, not from its marketing.
What Talon runs, step by step
- Checks the PC. It stops unless Windows reports itself as Windows 11, or as Windows 10 with build 22000 or newer.
- Its own removal scripts. Edge, then Outlook and OneDrive.
- Installs a browser of your choice through Chocolatey, and optionally other programs.
- WinUtil with 13 tweaks: Activity History, ConsumerFeatures, Background Apps, Telemetry, WPBT, Widgets, Services, File Explorer Automatic Folder Discovery, Visual Effects set to performance, the old right-click menu, OneDrive removal, Windows AI removal, and Store search results.
- Win11Debloat with the 34 switches below, silently.
- Registry tweaks and Windows Update settings of its own, optional Group Policy settings, and a desktop background.
If WinUtil or Win11Debloat fails, Talon shows an error and carries on with the next step.
The 34 Win11Debloat switches Talon uses
Talon passes these to Win11Debloat 2026.08.24, from step_catalog.py in its source:
-Silent -RemoveApps -RemoveGamingApps -DisableGameBarIntegration -DisableTelemetry -DisableBing -DisableStoreSearchSuggestions -DisableSuggestions -DisableLockscreenTips -RevertContextMenu -TaskbarAlignLeft -HideSearchTb -DisableWidgets -DisableCopilot -ClearStartAllUsers -DisableDVR -DisableStartRecommended -ExplorerToThisPC -HideHome -DisableMouseAcceleration -DisableDesktopSpotlight -DisableSettings365Ads -DisableSettingsHome -DisablePaintAI -DisableNotepadAI -DisableEdgeAI -DisableStickyKeys -DisableEdgeAds -DisableBraveBloat -DisableRecall -DisableAISvcAutoStart -DisableClickToDo -DisableSnapLayouts -DisableSearchHistory -DisableDeliveryOptimizationCompared with Win11Debloat's own Default mode:
- Talon adds 23 things, including the Xbox app and Game Bar removal, game recording off, the old context menu, left-aligned taskbar, hidden search box, an emptied Start menu for every account, Snap Layouts off, mouse acceleration off and Sticky Keys off. Those are personal taste, not bloat. If you like Snap Layouts or record games, Talon turns them off without asking.
- Talon leaves out six, most importantly the restore point. The others are small: the drag tray, network use in Modern Standby, the Chat button, the 3D Objects folder and showing file extensions.
-DisableSearchHistorydoes nothing. In 2026.08.24 it is an old switch that is still accepted but no longer does anything.- Build limits are not checked. Because Talon passes switches on the command line, Win11Debloat 2026.08.24 applies them on any Windows 11 build. For example, Sticky Keys off is meant for 24H2 and later. See build limits.
What Talon does to Windows Update
Older Talon documentation says it blocks non-security updates for 365 days, or permanently on Pro. The current source does this instead:
| Edition | Policy values under HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate |
|---|---|
| Pro, Enterprise, Education | Feature updates deferred 365 days, quality updates deferred 4 days, drivers excluded from Windows Update, and AU\AUOptions set to 2 (notify before downloading) |
| Home | Windows held on the release you have now (TargetReleaseVersion), and quality updates deferred 4 days |
Security updates still install, a few days later. These are policies, so Windows Settings will say Some settings are managed by your organization. Win11Debloat's Windows Update tweaks are milder: they stop Windows getting updates as soon as they come out, and stop automatic restarts while you are signed in. See Windows Update tweaks.
Undoing Talon
Talon's own answer is to reinstall Windows. If you would rather not, most of it can be reversed, because the work was done by tools that can undo:
- The Win11Debloat part: run Win11Debloat, open the tweaks page with Detect applied tweaks ticked, untick what you want back and apply. Removed apps come back from the Microsoft Store. See undo.
- The WinUtil part: run WinUtil, tick the same tweaks and use Undo Selected Tweaks. For its Services tweak, that puts the five services back to their original start types.
- Windows Update: delete the values listed above, then restart. In PowerShell as administrator:
Remove-Item -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate" -RecurseThis also removes any update policy you set yourself. - Edge: reinstall it from microsoft.com/edge. Talon's documentation warns that even Reset this PC does not bring Edge back.
The Defender exclusion step
For the downloadable Talon.exe, Talon's README asks you to add your whole C: drive as a Microsoft Defender exclusion first, and to remove it afterwards. If you do this, do not forget the second part: while it is there, Defender does not scan anything on the drive. The PowerShell method in the same README does not need it. Win11Debloat never asks for a Defender exclusion.
Questions
Is Talon better than Win11Debloat?
It is faster to start: two clicks and no choices. But the debloating is Win11Debloat's and WinUtil's, with fewer choices, no restore point and no undo. If you want the same result with a safety net, run Win11Debloat and pick the same options.
Can I run Talon on a PC I already use?
Talon's documentation says the full version is for freshly installed Windows 11 Home or Pro, and calls it “a run and done tool” that can cause harm if run again. It offers Talon Lite for PCs already in use, which skips some changes. Win11Debloat is designed to run on a PC in use, and to be run again.
Which version of Win11Debloat does Talon use?
The Talon source we read, from 26 September 2026, bundles Win11Debloat 2026.08.24. Its documentation notes that the version in a given Talon.exe depends on when it was built.
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